Curb and Canyon: A Porsche Podcast
Curb and Canyon: A Porsche Podcast
Rallies, Road Trips and Jay Read gets Rammed
Two pods in two weeks?! You can't get rid of us. In this episode we're going somewhat unscripted because Andy's dog ate the show notes but don't let that put you off, this one's another cracker. We're talking about Andy's recent 'Mega-Loop' Rally and his upcoming 'Alpine Ridge Rally 10' while James is getting ready for his annual pilgrimage to the Smoky Mountains for some dragon slaying at Tail of the Dragon. Will he finally tune his 991 before he leaves?? We've also got some shocking news to report from Connecticut USA about Jay Read's beloved 928 and much more. Tune in, kick back and welcome to Curb and Canyon.
Andy Gorns, how are you doing?
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, james, we're back. We're back two weeks in a row, unless, you know, something goes horribly wrong, which is entirely possible.
Speaker 1:Two weeks in a row, and so let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2:Well, hang on, Before you do, before you do, obviously you've got the shoot notes there. Well, that's what I was going to ask.
Speaker 1:The show notes hang on Before you do. Before you do, obviously you've got the shoot notes there. Well, that's what.
Speaker 2:I was going to ask the show notes, I mean.
Speaker 1:I don't seem to be able to find the show notes this week, Andy.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, so second week in a row that you've dropped the ball on this. I don't know. I feel like you owe the listeners more.
Speaker 1:Are there any show notes this week Andy?
Speaker 2:Listen, I don't think we need to get into a game of he said, she said. The show notes themselves aren't, so they're not really the issue, are they?
Speaker 1:Um, not when there aren't any show notes. Andy.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter, it's going to be a cracking episode.
Speaker 1:Anyway, welcome to Curb and Canyon. I think maybe what you should have said was welcome to Curb and Canyon. Unscripted. Yeah, well, that's it, that's it, so I did do.
Speaker 2:you know what's funny? I started writing show notes today and then, I don't know, I actually got distracted by life and real work. And then. So when you messaged me saying, hey, are we recording, Because this is like five o'clock your time, obviously in the morning, so way worse for you than me. I just sat down to watch Netflix with Kath. We just had dinner, I was settled, I had the dog on the couch, Happy, happy night. I got your message and I was like oh fuck.
Speaker 1:Oh, no message and I was like oh fuck, oh no, so is? Kath sat on the couch there lonely waiting for you to come back. If you told her, you're just gonna be like I'll be right back it.
Speaker 2:It didn't go well, if I'm honest. Oh dear, she'd make quite a nice dinner, but tomorrow night is uh is date night, so I'm sure I'll redeem myself oh, oh, good lad, yeah, yeah, yeah, give her the Andy Gaunt special. Yeah, do you know what? There's still plenty, plenty to talk about. And do you know what? I've got to do this? I've got to get this out of the way early. I need to start with an apology.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:To you.
Speaker 1:Oh no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I do, I do. I had a lot of messages through the week people laughing about you, know your whole thing about you were driving and I mean, I don't maybe apologies not quite warranted, but your whole thing about how you were driving and the stripes moved in the wind. Yeah, and I told you that was, the stripes moved in the wind. Yeah, and I told you that was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. In fact, I'm pretty sure that was my exact phrase. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I did some research.
Speaker 1:I'm still a bit wounded, actually, just by how immediately you dismissed that.
Speaker 2:So, after I had quite a few messages about it, all of which agreed with me everyone thinks you're a knucklehead, so you feel comfortable in that. But I did suddenly think to myself, well, I wonder if that could be a thing and I don't think it's the driving and the wind, you know, blowing them away or blowing them to move but I did suddenly think, okay, is there an issue with sticking something on ceramic coat? So I googled this and on a bunch of different forums I ended up in a deep dive on reddit, but there was a ford ranger or raptor forum. You should check it out, you'd love it.
Speaker 2:And there was a whole thing about can you put decals of any description on, uh, after ceramic coating, and dude the number of comments saying absolutely not. I've had my shop tell me, once you do this, you can't put decals on People saying I tried it, mine peeled off in a week, all of these things about. Basically, if you are going to put decals on your car, do not ceramic coat it ahead of time. Now, I'm not saying that that means yours could have just blown off centre with the wind, but there may be something in it this is the worst apology ever, but okay well it's not an apology it's, it's it's a completely reserved.
Speaker 2:Hey, listen, maybe there's something in your story. I'm not sorry.
Speaker 1:I yeah, I'm not sorry so you take, you take what you've just discovered online and apply it to my logic and I think you've got some pretty solid ground to stand on.
Speaker 2:I mean you do, but we don't have any real evidence, do we yeah?
Speaker 1:we do.
Speaker 2:Just a theory from you and let's be honest, how many of your theories over the journey have been right. There have been some questionable ones. I want to say yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:I'm going to stand by this one, though, because I have the microphone and there is no one else apart from you here to argue with me, and also I'm going to volunteer to edit this episode, so I can also edit this in my favor.
Speaker 2:So you'll find something later on where you'll just throw in a comment like I think the 964 is the most beautiful 911 shape and I'll say I agree, james, and then you'll put that in Exactly Right after this, exactly, exactly yeah. Okay, Look, do you know what? I know that for our shtick I've got to be against you. But you know, maybe there's something in it. Maybe there's something in it. All right, I'll take it.
Speaker 1:I'll take it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's as close to an apology as you can get, I will take it.
Speaker 1:I'll take it. That is as close to Andy Gorn eating on air, I'm gonna guess I I have in the last week so have continued to have few people ask me why I got rid of my stripes. And I've gone back to that conversation from last week several times and, uh, every time I've just been like I didn didn't like him, just pulled him off. I've just thought to myself.
Speaker 1:They blew away. They blew away, andy Gorns. Well, all right. So you asked me to start with. I've got something to start with as well. Did you see what happened to Jay Reid this week? I?
Speaker 2:was just about to say.
Speaker 1:Poor guy.
Speaker 2:We've got to make a shout out to a fellow content creator. What?
Speaker 1:Did you see the footage? Yeah, yeah, apparently, the cop thought it was his fault. How in the world based on that footage although the cop didn't?
Speaker 2:get to see that footage, but the cop got to see it in real life. But how, in the left-hand lane, honda HR-V on his right goes to merge and Jay is already not only alongside him at this stage but in front of him. I'm describing this like it's a turn one incident at an F1 race. But he is actually in front of him and the dude just merges left and just slams into his car. And Jay's actually uploaded dash cam footage to YouTube and I don't know. To me it's cut and dry, other dude's fault.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right, and they're on a roundabout. They're in a turn on a roundabout and coming off. So Jay's in the lane as you go over a roundabout, going straight, and the car on the right should only-.
Speaker 2:Decides to turn left, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:The car on the right should only be coming off.
Speaker 2:He can only go straight.
Speaker 1:It's breaking the law immediately, oh my God, I would have been so pissed if that happened. That was stupid accident yeah, a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:Does this level of media coverage? You know a hard-hitting uh, universally listened to podcast like ours, um at all impact jay's claim uh to the other tribe of being at fault.
Speaker 1:I hope I don't think so, given that jay works in the insurance industry and he's basically tried to just put the entire thing into the back of his mind tells me that he doesn't think he's got very good hopes here. I just hope they don't total a car.
Speaker 2:It doesn't. I haven't seen all of the video yet because I started watching it today and actually put it as bullet point one on the on the um, never to be seen show notes, but I didn't get to finish watching the video. The damage didn't look all that bad from what I'd seen on instagram, but is it? Is there more to it?
Speaker 1:from. From what I saw, it looks like his door will need to be replaced and the rear quarter panel will need to get replaced as well. It also doesn't look like the type of damage you know the paintless dent repair is going to fix.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, absolutely not. But I don't know. I don't think that's a total job, unless it's caused some sort of damage to the rear axle. You know that impact. It looks as though it's hit the rear right rim. Yeah, so to the rear axle. You know that impact. It looks as though it's hit the rear right rim. Yeah, so maybe, maybe there's something in that, but I I can't imagine them totaling the car on the basis of that, surely?
Speaker 1:but you know porsche doors are expensive, so I've been going through this um process the last couple of weeks in my cayenne. Um, my, my darling mother-in-law absolutely love her to bits, in all sincerity borrowed Ruthie's car to take the kids out. So she's doing a very noble thing, very gracious thing Reverses my wife's car into the side of my Cayenne. Of course of course, reverses it into the side of my cayenne and basically takes out the driver's door and the driver's passenger door.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I got a. I got a question. How does one, how, how does one temper their reaction in this moment? Because, you know, like if it's one of your kids and they've grown up and they've done that, you read them the riot act. But what, what do you do when it's your mother-in-law? It's, it's your mother-in-law. You're gonna be like, ah, gritted teeth, it, it's okay. What did you say?
Speaker 1:in all honesty, in the back of you read the right, no, no, no in. In all honesty, I was just so glad it wasn't the 9-11 that I actually just didn't care. I you know yeah I was like lynette, it's fine, don't.
Speaker 2:Don't worry, I'm just glad you're okay, everything's fine good, good answer, you know, good answer, that's, that's you know and you know.
Speaker 1:To be fair, though, she was us a favor, she was taking the kids out, so it's all good.
Speaker 2:However, back to the Sounds like she was taking your K in out.
Speaker 1:She might as well have done so. I went to get a quote for the doors. We're talking like three grand a door. What? Yeah, $3,000 a door to be replaced and then painted. These doors, I mean, the damage to mine is so bad that they're not going to be able to pull them out.
Speaker 1:They've actually looked at how hard did she hit it Exactly. I actually looked at how hard did she hit it exactly. I mean, exactly how hard did she hit it. But, and actually the other thing is, um, how did she hit it? Because all she had to do was reverse straight out of my garage, my three-car garage, and my cayenne was on the far side of the drive. She just had to reverse out straight and she would have missed it by a mile, but somehow she managed to reverse out at an angle into the car. Um, but yeah, we're talking like three grand a door. So six grand is like the average quote I've gotten from several different reputable body shops and the damage is so bad that they won't do the filler and the paint. They actually want to order the doors and replace them. Um, but even with filler and paint, they were talking about, you know, three or four grand. So, um, if an insurance.
Speaker 1:This is just an insurance job, I see uh, yes, that's right, but but what I'm saying is, like back to Jay's situation. How much is Jay's car's worth with that mileage, that age? Yeah, four or five grand's worth of damage, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I've got no idea what a 928 goes for in the US, but surely it can't be anywhere near a total loss.
Speaker 1:There's, there's no well, I didn't, he didn't he just spend five grand on it.
Speaker 2:I think he bought it for five grand well then, jay, I'm sorry, you had a good run yeah, I know, oh jay, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:And right before the tale of the dragon got it for him. Absolutely gutted for him.
Speaker 2:He's putting on a brave face, though what's he going to drive on that trip?
Speaker 1:Well, I hope he drives that car. You know, denton, all I hope he drives that car because he's put so much work into it. He's just put a new exhaust on it and it sounds absolutely incredible, absolutely amazing, amazing. Yeah, Sorry, jay, love you, mate. Yeah, um yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, jay. Love you mate. Yeah, jay, we're thinking of you. Pal. I'm very, very sorry to see what's happened. That's gutting, absolutely gutting. Now, you just mentioned Tale of the Dragon. When is that coming? What's the planning look like?
Speaker 1:And have you found accommodation at the top of an impossibly steep hill and gravel drop? June 19th is the day we're meeting up there, so we're leaving a few days before that. Sorry, did I say June July.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was about to say you're living in the past, man.
Speaker 1:July 19th. Yeah, we're arriving the day before. July 19th is a Friday. It's the first meet up in the morning, um, in gatlinburg, tennessee, and we're doing the dragon. The next day we're doing the cherihala skyway. The day after that, um, I think we're doing the back of the dragon, I think it's called um. There'll be lots of opportunities to take photos, to eat, to hang out. It's going to be so much fun. And then we leave Minnesota to get there, I think on the Wednesday before.
Speaker 2:So how many days do you drive? Just?
Speaker 1:to get there.
Speaker 2:Two Far out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, two days to get there, three days driving on the mountain and then two days to get back.
Speaker 2:Well, it makes for an epic trip for three days of driving, doesn't?
Speaker 1:it, it does.
Speaker 2:I mean obviously no choice.
Speaker 1:It is a pilgrimage, although I would say I mean, there's no two ways about it. The first day is boring as hell on the way there, but the second day there is a lot of great driving. The second day on the way there because you start getting into the terrain and the twisties, and on the second day you can actually come off the highway and take the county roads and there's a lot of great driving on the way into the mountains.
Speaker 2:You've sort of evolved that right, like you know. Try and do some of those travel days as you say, get onto the county roads and drive a few more more interesting things yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:and the first time we did it, we tried to do it in one day and it took us 17 hours and at one point we were stuck in um the south side of chicago in traffic for like three hours. I was losing my mind, absolutely losing my mind. That's just flat out dangerous man yeah yeah, but you know, I have done a few trips like that since, you know, just even a few months ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, is that Skyway Road? I can't remember what you said it was called.
Speaker 1:The Charahalla Skyway Exactly yeahalla Skyway. The Charahalla Skyway, exactly yeah.
Speaker 2:The Skyway. Is that the one that is in that Haggerty catch pole video with the gt4rs where it's sort of swooping along yeah?
Speaker 1:I think so, like the ridge. Yeah, I think that's the one that looked that looked amazing. Yeah, it's really, really great. Um, and the the beauty of that one over the dragon is that it goes for like 50 miles or more. Um, so you're on it for a while, where the tail of the dragon, you know, is a little bit more of a roller coaster ride. You, you're, and on it in like 20 minutes.
Speaker 2:Is that how long it is?
Speaker 1:20 minutes give or take yeah, pretty much If you can drive it without the cops catching you.
Speaker 2:It's great to hear that there are so many other roads in that region, because, you know, I think about some of the roads that I drive, and would I drive two days to get to just that road? If it was 20 minutes? I don't know, no way.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it sounds like there's so much good driving around there, though.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, totally. You could spend weeks there driving and probably still not do it all.
Speaker 2:Oh, you must be pumped. Is this the first Tell a Dragon trip in the 991.2?
Speaker 1:It is yeah, bluey Tooey oh.
Speaker 2:Is Bluey Tooey having anything done the tune or anything before? Are we lowering it before the trip?
Speaker 1:Why would I lower it, Andy? Why would I lower it?
Speaker 2:Well, think how much better it's gonna corner on that tail of the dragon and it'll look way better um, it is gonna get the tune.
Speaker 1:Yeah look, I've got my. I keep saying I am gonna tune it, but it is getting at the tune before I go. Um, you know, I was just thinking what's what?
Speaker 2:what stage to the sequel, what? Like you know, there's stage one, stage two. So you're not doing any hardware. So no, like like turbo upgrades or any of that sort of stuff, it's just plug and play, right.
Speaker 1:It's just plug and play. It's a stage one tune. It's going to take my 375 factory horses up to about 500. That's pretty epic, right, and it's going to take my 300 and it's gonna take. It's gonna take my 378 foot pound talk up to about 300. Sorry, 520 foot pounds of talk. So we're talking, like you know, 991 turbo territory um yeah, yeah, which is pretty exciting.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty excited about it. I've just got to get onto it and do it, but it will be done before I go on my trip. Um, but I was just thinking about this the other day the most. One of the things I'm most excited about is stopping at deals gap and buying one of the stickers that has the outline of the road which goes goes on the rear quarter window behind the driver. I actually have a bunch of them that I bought and you know, send people that want them or whatever, in my drawer here in the office, but I refuse to put it on the car until I've actually driven the road.
Speaker 2:Until it's actually done it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta, you gotta earn it yeah exactly, so I just that's yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got to earn it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, that's so cool and it's going to be day one as well, so day one, one of the first roads we drive will be the Dragon. We're going to stop and I'm just going to. I can't wait for that moment when I stick it on the car, and then the rest of the weekend I'm going to be driving around and I'll be able to show off that sticker.
Speaker 2:It's going be pretty exciting and the great thing- is because you've got so many in your drawer is if they've ceramic coated your windows.
Speaker 1:When it just falls off inevitably. Well, the wind is going to push it into a direction, just blows. Yeah, that makes it look like a different road.
Speaker 2:That was straight and someone will say to you why have have you got the Nürburgring sticker on your car?
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:Hey. So tell me, with this stage, one tune, are there any sort of potential pitfalls downsides?
Speaker 1:things that can go wrong or things that you need to do to support it, not from a performance perspective so much, but from a maintenance and protecting the longevity of the engine perspective. Um, for a stage one tune, absolutely nothing, and and especially so with the 991, and the reason is um, the, the engine itself is the exact same engine that's in the S and the exact same engine that's in the GTS. The difference between my engine and the engine that's in the GTS is the tune that Porsche put on it, but also the turbos. The engine that I have is able to deal with the power upgrade and the power that it's going to be putting out once I apply the tune. So there's absolutely nothing to worry about. What I could do is put the GTS turbos on and, you know, get those level of performance.
Speaker 1:I think what I am worried about is you can do a stage um. I think it's flat. Six motorsports in orlando, florida, um have this whole like productized set of um tunes, especially for the 991 and equivalent year um box to cayman's um and they go anything from like the stage one tune, I think is like three or four grand all the way up to about $15,000 for what they call a stage four tune and it's um, it's, it's, uh, it's the Cobb tune plus um the pure turbo, um turbo spoolsools which are bigger than the GTS factory turbo spools and they can handle up to, I think, something like 800 horses or maybe even 850 horsepower, so they can turn a 991.2 into a seven or 800 horsepower monster. Now at that point.
Speaker 1:That's where I start to get worried about you know, the kind of long-term damage you might be doing to the car, because I think that's the sort of unproven kind of off the chart territory there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's amazing, I mean I, I recently drove a 991.2 GTS and it's bone stock, right, bone stock. Beautiful car, amazing car, but I couldn't believe how quick that car was and the effortless torque that it had. You know, driving it through the twisties up a hill and what I found myself doing was accelerating, but not even using all the torque and power oh yeah because it just felt like I had so much.
Speaker 2:And then when I would completely floor it, I was just laughing my head off the whole time. It's so fast. So you're, you're gonna have that level of performance yeah, I'm pretty excited.
Speaker 1:I just you know what's holding me back. I've had this tune sat on my desk for like the best part of a year. Now'm pretty excited. I just you know what's holding me back. I've had this tune sat on my desk for like the best part of a year now.
Speaker 2:Andy am, I afraid, do you have warranty on the car uh no okay, so it's not like you got that that to worry about.
Speaker 2:I mean, porsche are actually very good at um well, at least here in australia, even if you're out of warranty, they're pretty good at goodwill replacement of things. But I'd imagine if they, if you had something of warranty, they're pretty good at goodwill replacement of things, but I'd imagine if you had something go wrong with the car and they saw you had a crazy tune delivering 800 horsepower, they might take a, let's say, dim view.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably. Are there any tunes available for the 964?
Speaker 2:964? Not the way you can tune something like a modern car where you just plug it in and you get this instant horsepower lift. There's certainly tunes I mean with my Motec system, for example that does allow you to do lots of different things with the tuning. And I know there's even even simpler plug and play things like the steve wong chip which helps alleviate some of the drivability issues of the 964. But no, you can't. You can't really just plug a laptop into what is a mostly mechanical uh engine setup and, and you know, just gain a 25 increase in horsepower.
Speaker 2:It doesn't, doesn't work quite like that. And actually, you know, in air-cooled cars the pursuit of horsepower, oh it's a bit of a one of diminishing returns. You gotta have a lot of money to really get horsepower like massive horsepower gains. You know, I've certainly increased the power output on my car with all of the changes I've made to it, but then you know, I can get in my friend's 964. I don't feel a huge difference between the two.
Speaker 2:To be honest, and I think you know I've always said this, I think if you have an air-cooled car, you want to get it running beautifully, you want really great drivability and you want the engine to perform at its absolute peak. There's no doubt about that. But the real gains are there to be had if you get the chassis absolutely dialed, chassis absolutely died. If you can get the, the chassis, the suspension, uh, all of the alignment and all those sorts of things really sorted, then you have a car that will just carry momentum and and corner insanely quick and you can keep up with most things. Now, sure, if you're running with mostly modern stuff on a lot of roads, driving dynamics and power means they'll pull away from you. But you'd be amazed what cars I can keep up with in the 964. And then you know other friends who drive 964s or even older cars. I'm thinking of my pal Simon, who drives a hot-rodded SC and that car's been hot-rodded but probably puts out maybe a little less than my car, I think. Sorry, simon, if that's incorrect. If you're listening, I think that's right, just based on he drove my car once. But again, he can keep up with anyone in practically anything. He's just a good driver. He can keep up with anyone in practically anything. He's just a good driver. So yeah, I've always said just focus on getting the car to corner really well.
Speaker 2:And look, if you look at what the sort of builds that Gamroth does, the sort of builds that Workshop 5001 are doing on 964s, I mean there is horsepower to be had if you build a 4-litre engine and all that sort of stuff. But you're talking huge money. Huge money Because even just to do a straight-up rebuild is expensive, like very expensive. Then you start messing around with cams, then you start messing around with increasing capacity from 3.6 around with, you know, increasing capacity from 36 to 38 or, as I say, even four, and then it just gets big, big, big money.
Speaker 2:And the challenge then becomes you have to take it somewhere. Who can do that work, deliver that, that horsepower increase, but also in a car that's still drivable and nice. You know I I never want to get in my car and it just be a pig to drive around, but it's great when you, when you're fully on it, like I, want to be able to drive my car out with one of my kids and go for breakfast, or yeah you know, go away for a weekend with kath in the car.
Speaker 2:So it's still got to be. It can't be a racing car, you know yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So your car's now what? 40 years old 34, 34 years old. How? How much of that is original factory in terms of, you know, the suspension um, the sort of replaceable parts? Is there anything Consumables? Yeah, is there anything there that hasn't been replaced, to your knowledge, in 34 years?
Speaker 2:Look, I don't know my. You know receipts and everything only go back to, I think, 2004 maybe. So there's a gap in my knowledge of what work might have been carried out prior to that other than stamped service books and all that sort of thing. So I don't know, for example, whether bushings have been done at any point. I think they need to be done.
Speaker 2:It's on new coilovers all the control arms and all that sort of stuff. They're all the same, they're all original. It's really just like you say, the consumables. So I imagine bushings may have been done at some point in that 34 years.
Speaker 2:But there again, maybe they haven't. And I've done things like coilovers. I've done some bushings like coilovers. I've done some bushings, I've done, uh, tie rods. So we've changed from the tie rod setup that we had to a I think it's a 993 rs tie rod setup that allows the car because the car runs so low. The traditional tie rods have an issue with the geometry changes as the suspension compresses. So all of that sort of stuff's all been sorted. But I mean, I don't think the car could ever go back to original now or original spec now without me spending a lot of money on it yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm too deep down the other path, so I just got to keep going.
Speaker 2:Well little green's perfect, yeah, little. I'll tell you what, though little green is wearing the scars of of a lot of rallies and, uh, you know, I I mean, um, I'm sure I'm accused of of detailing my car far too regularly. I just so happen to love doing it and I love driving the car when it's clean. I mean, literally, I don't drive that car without getting someone somewhere give me some kind of positive reaction to it. I washed it on the weekend. I drove Ryder somewhere to drop him off. I drove Ryder somewhere to drop him off and then, driving back, this car, this Mazda, a couple of lanes across like, swept across in front of me and looked like he was trying to cut me off so that he could turn a corner in front of me. And suddenly the passenger window comes down and this kid is just hanging out the window with his phone filming my car. Like it looks amazing when it's clean. So I just love driving it clean. But equally it's now.
Speaker 2:These rallies do take a toll, and particularly when the weather's bad and stuff like that. There is so much patina now on the bonnet, on the front bumper, on the rear guards, the lower sill. There's some spots on it that literally have no paint. So the car looks beautiful in photos and it looks good from a distance and it looks good at certain angles, but when you get close, yes, it's glossy and shiny as hell, but it's also yeah it like a, a building from from uh high cave or something I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think you know you see a car like that and um of that sort of era. You you expect that kind of stuff yeah, it's funny because there are some.
Speaker 2:You know, there are some stunning 964s and some stunning builds that you know, whether you see them on social media. There's even a few starting to really show up. Here in Australia we don't have as many cool ones, but you see, these ones that are just, you know, have been repainted. They're perfect, and I see them and I think, oh man, that's how I want my car to look, because I would love to detail it to the degree that I already do, but the result be that the car looks perfect.
Speaker 2:And I can't do that, I can't get perfection out of it because it's just too damaged. But you know, at the end of the day I bought the car to drive it and the experiences that have put those scars on the car I you know that's, that's why I bought it. And they're amazing experiences and amazing memories. And everyone I drive with has the exact same thing. And you know anyone that's bought a newer car. They're smart and they've done ppf all over it because because of the way we drive, we don't leave them at home. And you know their cars are protected. And it's easier if you're buying a new Cayman or, you know, a recent 911, all of the templates for those PPF coverings all exist versus getting one for a 964. It would have to be custom made. So, no, I kind of hate the damage in the patina, but you know it's it's stories.
Speaker 1:You know it's all, it's all stories so let me ask you this if you chose to repaint your car, would you go for?
Speaker 2:the same color yeah, 100, 100. Yeah, I mean, would I would I say that color is my favorite color for a 964 what is your favorite? Color for a 964 oh, it's definitely right up there. Like it's right right up there. I love amethyst.
Speaker 1:I freaking adore amethyst oh, that's like the like, the sort of deep purpley one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:I love that colour. Yeah, darren Pfister's car is amethyst and it just looks stunning. I love that. Yeah, that's probably my favourite factory colour. I mean, I love Ruby Stone. I don't know that I could drive one, though. I love mint. I think mint is just phenomenal. I love mint. I think mint is just phenomenal. Mint is mint. Yeah, mint is mint. But no, I adore my car and I think I've said to you before that when I was first looking this was kind of when I was buying the car, it was a little bit before green was, yeah, green's kind of enjoying, let's say, a surge in popularity these days.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this was pre that, and I'd seen the car listed on a local forum and I'd I'd kind of been uncertain as to whether or not it was right and and so much so that I showed kath and she was like, oh, green, and I was like, okay, cool, so I just literally immediately discounted it and sat on it for weeks and then nothing else had come up and I went back to it and it looked as though it was no longer for sale. And then the thread kind of reopened and just as I was about to, I was literally typing a message to the seller to say hey, you still interested in selling? And I showed it to Kath again and she's like oh yeah, that looks pretty good. And dude, honestly, as soon as I saw it I know I've told this story before, but as soon as I saw I knew I was buying it the green I just loved it and, and and.
Speaker 2:Honestly, if I tell you, I would love to get a gt3 touring in forest green metallic and have like matching I just I just think that would be amazing yeah, that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 1:As much as I, as much as I really love my, uh, whatever, whatever, mine is graphite, blue, metallic um I do miss having a really bold color like bluey was. I was just yeah yeah, blue was a great color, I was just looking at photos of it the other day as it popped up on my screensaver and, uh, I just thought oh, wow, I loved, I love seeing that color in my, in my, uh, in my garage. That's the dream, though, isn't it? Multiple cars, big garage, multiple cars, let's do it do you like?
Speaker 2:do you have a kind of like, a go-to color? You know, when you're on the configurator, like or go-to colors? I should say um, yeah, it's, it's usually black, it's right unfortunately boring, boring and boring um oh no, black's great, I love black but yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:It is usually black so my go-to.
Speaker 2:I love, love Carmine Red in the standard.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's a nice color.
Speaker 2:I think it's such a great color. But if I ever go paint a sample, I always go to Oratium Green. I just love that color. I just think it's so, so good, so good.
Speaker 1:Do you find that you, just like you, have a tendency to veer towards the greens? Because overall, I think in life I have a tendency to levitate towards blue. And, by the way, for those listening, Andy is sat here in a green hoodie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's quite a fluke. And you know, today I was wearing a green and blue kind of plaid shirt. You know, I don't know. Historically, no, although I remember being a kid and seeing you know old mid-70s G-bodies in, you know, I guess like Python green or like Condor green or whatever some of those colors were, and just thinking, wow, yeah, they looked amazing. So I've definitely always liked green cars. I couldn't, for example, I don't think I could drive a yellow car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2:I like a yellow car. I love them. Whenever anyone I know has one, I love it. I love looking at them on the road. I adore them. I just don't think I would have one. So yeah, maybe I go for greens a bit. I do.
Speaker 1:I like grays as well so actually same for me with um lava orange. You know like I love that porsche lava orange color, um yeah, but I don't know if I could have that every day.
Speaker 2:No, I couldn't have it. I couldn't have it, hey. Um, now, speaking of damage to cars and rallies and such I did, I can't remember. I can't remember what our last pod was prior to our last break, but do I need to check this? I don't know. I think I'm right in saying I never spoke about the Mega Loop Rally, right? The what rally? The Mega Loop Rally.
Speaker 1:I don't think so.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, we can edit this out, if I did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:I'll check afterwards. So Alpine Range Rally number nine happened in I think I want to say the end of March, and three days before it I injured my back like really bad.
Speaker 2:Right, I remember To the point where I knew it was very unlikely that I was going to go. I did everything I could to get myself in a position where I could go, but it just wasn't possible. So the day of the rally I pulled out, I was gutted, devastated, didn't get to go on the rally that I planned with my mate Rocco. Anyway, I kind of then selfishly afterwards, somebody just kind of said in our WhatsApp chat something about gee, I wonder what you could do in a day or something to that effect, and I thought I wonder what I could do in a day. I wonder if there is a good portion of our alpine range rally that could be done in one massive day. So I started, I got on google maps. I got on Google Maps, I got on Scenic and started planning what became the Megaloop Rally, which was a single-day rally that we did in April, and it was incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Absolutely incredible. So we all drove to. There's a place in Victoria called Bright which is where we usually stay on the second night of our rally. But Bright is at the base of the Alpine region, so it's a beautiful kind of starting spot. And so we all drove up there.
Speaker 2:On the Friday, some people drove after work, got there late at night, some people, like myself, kind of drove, left at lunch time and just cruised up there but still managed a good drive.
Speaker 2:And in fact I drove up with my buddy, erwin, and he had his 991.2 gts and when we were not too far from bright, that's where we did a car swap to drive his car on some amazing roads too, by the way way. So it was a fantastic experience to actually give that car a proper run. And then on the Saturday morning we got up early and then did this massive, massive day of most of the best roads from day two and three of our rally that we typically do. We managed to get them done in a single day and so I think there were eight or nine of us who did the the trip in total. And you know we left bright at 6 30 in the morning and just went for it. I said to everyone, I said, listen, it's gonna be one of those days where it's it's a lot of driving. So, yes, let, yes, let's stop. If you get tired, if you're feeling fatigued, then absolutely I don't want anyone driving in that condition.
Speaker 2:But equally, you know stops are going to be quite short. I didn't do all of the usual organising of you know places to eat and all that sort of stuff. We knew where the towns were, that we'd have access to food and that was it. And then we, just being a small group, as well. We just went for it. Yeah, man, it was. It's one of my favorite days driving I've ever had, not notwithstanding a lot of kangaroos.
Speaker 2:We really man, I came so close to running over a kangaroo. I we're on this super tight twisty road that heads towards a place called mita mita, and my pal uh alan was behind me and he saw it happen. This kangaroo kind of came bouncing up from the side of the road and they're crossing in front of my car oh man and I was, and and dude, I was lit up around this corner too.
Speaker 2:I was going for it and I was just full brakes, all of the antiquated ABS kicked in all of it, and you know, when you're trying to miss something and you're like you sort of hoik yourself up in your seat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:To kind of see over the bonnet more to see if the stupid critter is going to clear it or not, and somehow this kangaroo just got past me. I still to this day don't know how. That was amazing. But then yeah, this road to Mittermitte, which I'd only driven once before and I'd driven it in you know know six degrees and pissing rain, to drive it in the sunshine and just with this group of seven or eight of us, whatever it was, it was just phenomenal and this road goes on and on and on.
Speaker 2:It is so long and it undulates, it's up, it's down, it's open, it's tight, it's technical. It is just such an incredible road. And then that was, you know, just one of a bunch of amazing roads we drove that day and, best of all, I pulled in to my driveway at home, 5 30 pm saturday afternoon oh, wow and had had dinner with the family and then the next day at home doing stuff.
Speaker 2:In fact, kath and I jumped in little green. The next day, on sunday, drove to a winery and had lunch and I felt like I'd been away for a week oh, that's really cool, just amazing, and so I yeah, and I think everyone who went was like this is a really different way to do it, but God it worked so well.
Speaker 1:So are you going to do that again? Have you got one coming up?
Speaker 2:I think we will. I mean, we've got Alpine Range Rally happening in November, which is number 10, and it's the first time we're going to actually stretch the rally, run an extra day and there's a whole lot. First time we're going to actually stretch the rally, run an extra day and there's a whole lot of places we're going to go that we've never been before.
Speaker 2:But I think I think this kind of approach is one where you can kind of decide almost last minute yeah just sneak it in, hey, who can get away from work a little bit early on friday, as long as we can get accommodation accommodations, the hard part because Bright's actually really popular so that's tricky, so we might need to find a different base to stay. But yeah, I think we'll do it again for sure.
Speaker 1:It was a good way to do it, nice.
Speaker 2:And kind of took less domestic credit, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally, totally, Well, Andy. Video of the week.
Speaker 2:We've got one thing video of the week, because we did.
Speaker 1:you've seen this right, I actually saw video of the week this week and it's abuse.
Speaker 2:I mean so the video is called. It's actually on a channel called Soulful Machines and 100% I'd say to you, go check out their content. They've got some really great stuff. They've only got a little over 1,000 subscribers at the moment and they deserve way more than that and I'm sure they'll have a lot more than that soon. And this video is called the Porsche 924, the perfect getaway car, and it's part of a series called we Drive. It's episode two in that series. How good is it to see a 924 in a piece of video content?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, you know I suppose we're booking the trend a little bit here by talking about jay's car.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a transaxle car, it's a it's rear drive front engine car. Yeah, you're.
Speaker 1:Yeah, transaxle car.
Speaker 2:I tell you, the thing I love about it is something like a 924. You know, it's the unloved Porsche, no doubt, and I just love the way it's presented in this film. This girl's driving it and it's done in the way that some of the Petrolicious films were done and the like, with gorgeous cinematography. The car looks fantastic and there's no. I feel like the 924 is one of those cars that people feel they need to be apologetic about, or yeah, I've only got a 924. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:It's that sort of a car, whereas this video doesn't take that approach at all. It's like this car is amazing, it's my favorite thing in the world and I yeah, I just, I just loved it.
Speaker 1:I absolutely loved it yeah, I, I love the way that um the sort of the interlacing of the driving, the car experience and the girl getting up and going for a jog and sort of experiencing nature and getting out and driving, um, the whole kind of adventure and it that was so cool. And the the content quality, the whole sort of production quality was epic yeah, yeah, 100.
Speaker 2:And exactly as you say, I love that thing of. Yeah, it wasn't just about the car, the car is this, you know, beautiful 924, but it's also her connection, her thing, that gets her out into these amazing forests and out doing other stuff that she loves. I just yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Very, very, very, very cool.
Speaker 1:You found another winner there, Andy. Good job.
Speaker 2:Well, I will share it on our Instagram, and with that, I think you need to go and plug yourself in via intravenous drip to some of your. Minnesota brown. Just get some of that stuff flowing through your veins.
Speaker 1:I will.
Speaker 2:And yeah, get your day started.
Speaker 1:I will, and thank you everybody for checking in for another episode of Curb and Canyon. There'll be more content coming soon. I'm James from Auto Amateur at Auto Amateur. This is Andy from Last Rasp, and we are Andy and James at Curb and Canyon.
Speaker 2:See you soon, guys, take care.
