Curb and Canyon: A Porsche Podcast
Curb and Canyon: A Porsche Podcast
Holiday Closer - Porsche Banter with the Curb & Canyon Crew
Andy and James close out the year with a Christmas cracker of an episode covering everything from the recent bombshell news of Porsche's financial problems to mods, maintenance, Andy's recent Alpine Range Rally #12 road tour and James' recent tours of the Black Hills and the Smoky Mountains. James talks about the conclusion of his 991's sports exhaust modifications while Andy talks about the most recent bits that have fallen off his 964. Andy's giving his keys to teenage drivers (you do NOT want to miss this segment) and naturally there is a stunning video of the week to round things out. What they may have missed in terms of #episodes dropped this year, hopefully you'll agree they more than make up with quality banter. Tune in, kick back. Welcome to Curb and Canyon.
Andy Gaunt, mate. It's so good to see you. Look at that shining smiling face.
SPEAKER_00:Dude, my man, literally, it's it's like I don't recognize you. And I I I do you know what? I've got to put my glasses on. That's how long it's been. I'm that old now that I needed glasses. I'm late because I was on my Zima frame getting down the hallway. It it's I mean it's been a minute.
SPEAKER_02:For me, I needed to sort of remind myself how to put the equipment together. I was like, wait a minute, where am I gonna face are we gonna FaceTime on a phone and record on the mic? Like, how did how do I plug my mic in?
SPEAKER_00:What what was the last text message I sent you?
SPEAKER_02:Exactly that. Where do I plug my mic in?
SPEAKER_00:I said, the fuck do I set up a microphone?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so it's been since uh I think April was our last one. And we April. We came close to recording in the summer, we came close to recording in the fall, we have not come close to recording in the last couple of months, but I thought we have gotta get one in for the end of this year, and you can tell how excited I've been because I know this is your favorite. I've tagged you in approximately 50 different photos of Porsche 911s with a Christmas tree on top, and on that note, welcome to Curban Canyon.
SPEAKER_00:Perfect cold intro.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I love it. You know, so as I was tagging you in all of those um uh posts with you know porches with Christmas trees on, I like was getting steadily how did you say it? Like more and more excited, and more and more just I couldn't stop laughing. And Ruthie was sat next to me on the couch, she's like, seriously, what are you doing? What are you doing?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, no one can appreciate this apart from Randy. What you you sound like so my friend Kale uh has finally discovered AI, and so for the last 48 hours, he has just been taking every photo that's ever been taken of any one of our friends on any drive and making it do crazy shit like dance and all this sort of stuff. And I'm like, okay, well, good to know the um the AI bots now have every one of my friends as uh as avatars they can use for deep fakes and uh kidnappings. You know what?
SPEAKER_02:Well, okay, I haven't gone quite that far, but um when we did Tale of the Dragon this summer, uh I think it was Tale of the Dragon, where my friend Mark, who goes with us all of his time, who and him and his son, um, he got me onto Chat GBT and got me onto AI. And since that time, I've become like an AI professional. And I've done the summer. I'm I'm I'm all over it. However, I use it for good. I use it for good. My mate Chris, catman Chris, with his 11 cats and his GT3 touring.
SPEAKER_00:Hold on, hold on, hold on. How many cats does he actually have?
SPEAKER_02:10. But I always get it wrong and say 11. Dude, we'll come back to that in a second. It's 10 cats. We'll we'll come back to that in a second.
SPEAKER_00:Oh man.
SPEAKER_02:Chris, we need to talk. I know, like anyway, we'll come back to that in a second. But he's using AI a little bit for good, but you know, every couple of days, you can be pretty much guaranteed there'll be some kind of comedy AI photo involving, I don't know, Jay Reed's head and you know, something that I won't repeat, or you know, hey, I'm gonna put my car on the moon. I'm gonna put my car wherever it is. So anyway, there we are. But yeah, but you know what?
SPEAKER_00:When the Terminators come for us, Chris, they'll they'll they'll say, Chris, come on in, mate, you're cool.
SPEAKER_02:Bring it catch. Dude, I saw a meme the other day with somebody walking past a terminator, and the caption was, Oh, he's fine. We're gonna let him off. He says thank you.
SPEAKER_00:Like, do you ever say some back to I say thank you? Which apparently kills a hectare of Brazilian rainforest every time I say please and thank you. Yeah, but when Skynet rises, they'll let us off.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's the point ones.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_02:Well, dude, so look, we're here to talk about Porsche, right?
SPEAKER_00:We are because I don't want to I don't want to sit here having a doomer conversation about about AI. And and actually, so I was I was sitting there in bed and I was thinking, okay, what typically happens when we've not recorded for a while? Because you do get into a rhythm, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so I want to apologize up front if James and I talk over each other. That's the one thing I always find when we haven't done it for a while. We always talk over each other. Whereas when we've been doing it a lot, we're very, I don't want to say professional, I think that's I think that's over the top. I mean, do you know what? I gotta I I gotta be honest. I um when you did the Welcome to Kirban Canyon, I was like, oh thank God he thought of that. I'd forgotten we even do it. But the other thing we I know the other thing we usually do is have you've is have show notes, which I usually meticulously prepare. And yesterday we went about that a little differently, didn't we?
SPEAKER_02:We did, we exchanged a few text messages, and uh to be honest, I was actually expecting you to pull a very nice professional copy of show notes out of your ass overnight, but nothing, nothing.
SPEAKER_00:No, no, I've got the first one I can see in my text message chain is Porsche Files Chapter 11.
SPEAKER_02:I know, right? I mean, so you know, yeah, there's stuff to talk about with Porsche itself and what on earth is happening in Stuttgart. Um, you've done what now, um, your Alpine drive 12 times?
SPEAKER_00:12. Just did it last weekend.
SPEAKER_02:12.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and you've done a Tale of the Dragon trip. I've done Tale of the Dragon.
SPEAKER_02:I think I think I've even done Black Hills since our last podcast. I think that went out just before we went to the Black Hills. That was a great trip.
SPEAKER_00:So so we're gonna talk about those trips. We're gonna talk about where what's happening with your car. I just saw images, excuse me, images of it on uh Instagram or Facebook even yesterday and thought, damn, that's looking good. We'll talk about the 964 and the bits that broke. We'll talk about who I let drive my 964. That look let's hold that till the end. I mean, holy shit, what a moment.
SPEAKER_02:Uh-huh. Yep. Ooh, terrible. Well, we'll definitely talk about that. And um, if we had show notes, I'd probably be able to try and figure out what video of the week is. But I'm I'm gonna hope that you're gonna pull that out of the bag.
SPEAKER_00:I got it. Don't you worry about that, my friend. Don't you worry about that. So let's why don't we start with talking about the drives? Because we've both had some epic ones. Tell me about the Black Hills. So the Black Hills. Hold up. Are you drinking Red Bull?
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no.
SPEAKER_00:Um, Max was serpent.
SPEAKER_02:I've um I've stolen one of my wife's lemon-flavoured spindrifts. Do you have this in Australia? It's like a sparkling water, and I thought it I I almost went for the big gulp. I know how much you appreciate the big gulp, but this is all I could get in the time I have. Alright, well, that's great. That's good. Well, so the Black Hills, in many respects, it was it was like an absolutely fantastic trip. In other respects, it was a little bit disastrous because um we we took off um right as spring was uh ending. Well, where were we? No, we're kind of like spring was a few weeks in. We're just just winter was ending, spring was a few weeks in. In the Twin Cities, all the snow and ice has melted. Now we're we weren't going as far as the Rocky Mountains where there is definitely snow, I mean, even all the way up until June. Um, but we were kind of sort of right on the cusp. I took my winter tires off, put the summers on, it was nice and warm. Um, one thing that happened, we got snowed in on one day. So we're all there with our summer tires, and we had three days in the hills, and one of them was just spent dicking around in the cabin because we couldn't leave. Um, but but on the way there, my mate Patrick, who's got this uh beautiful silver first generation 997, he's also the guy that worked on uh Project 996 with me um on with Bluey. Uh he hasn't been to Tale of the Dragon in a couple of years, he's been really busy with his business. Um, and this was a lot closer. You know, it's only like an eight-hour trip to get to the Black Hills and Mount Rushmore and all that than like a two-day trip to get to the tail. Patrick was like, I'm in, I've got the car out of the cover, I'm ready, you know, I've done maintenance. We didn't even make it to the Black Hills, and uh his um serpentine belt came off the the uh what are they called? What are they called? The cogs, the um the spinnies.
SPEAKER_00:The spinnies that's it, it's the spinnies. I I recently called my Porsche dealer, hey, I need to order a new spinny for my uh a spinny doobry.
SPEAKER_02:So we we had to pull over and it was pissing rain the whole way there. So it was it was a pretty tough trip. Patrick pulls over, Michael Wooten, who's um uh Michael's motorer meets Michael Wooten from YouTube. He pulled over to tell Patrick. We got the serpentile uh the belt back on. Another 20 minutes down the road, something had gone wrong where the belt had essentially melted onto the four or five pulleys. There you go, pulleys. Um, and so that was it. Patrick was out. We had to push his car off the road to an ab like it was and this is the middle of nowhere, this is South Dakota. There is not a lot in South Dakota at all. Uh so we pushed him off just off this junction outside an abandoned uh motel. An abandoned motel is like the only thing there. Left his Porsche on the side of the road, drove another four or five hours to get to the Black Hills. He spent the whole of the next day trying to figure out how to get his car home. So Patrick kind of had a bit of a rough ride and a and a you know um an unfortunate time. The rest of us did some amazing driving. We saw Count Rushmore, we saw Mount Rushmore with some great uh you know, great mountain runs. Um, thankfully, everyone else did okay with their cars. We got a little bit snowed in. Um, but to top it off, Luke and Adam came with me. Uh I wanted at least one of them to come, but they both came and they did so well in the car, and we talked about cars, and you know, they they were asking questions. It was like a really, really fulfilling trip that way. But I think of all the all the trips we've done in the last few years, um in many ways this was more spectacular than the smoky mountains. I mean, it's a different mountain, different mountain range, so you know, different climate, but it was just nice to do something different, I think.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, massive. And and did uh did the silver 997 make it back home, or is it up on blocks somewhere?
SPEAKER_02:No, it made it home. Uh, we found a guy uh who's actually connected to our Porsches and Pancakes group who happened to be out in the Black Hills um and had a trailer with him. And he was gonna be going back to help his daughter move to college. Uh, so we managed to finangle Patrick getting up on this uh enclosed trailer, got it home. Poor guy. Just I feel so bad for him. Got it all fixed, and he managed to fix it all himself. But yeah, I imagine that's pretty gussing.
SPEAKER_00:It's always it's always pulley wheels. That happened that that happened on Alpine Range Rally three, I think it was. Our friend Trev with his with his boxer. I mean, thankfully it was on the last day of the rally and we were we were almost home, but this pulley wheel came off. And so we spent four hours in this tiny little town at the only mechanic for a million miles. We just happened to be able to pull in there trying to fix this thing, and it it was not able to be done. So Rocco uh Rocco, Trev had to leave the car with um Gino, Gino's mechanic shop, and pick it up a few weeks later on a trailer. So, yeah, it's always a pulley wheel.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you know, so it's funny you mention uh Rocco because I I'm really excited to hear about the adventures of Andy on the Alpine Ridge Rally 12 with Choco and Blocco and Rocco and Flocco and and all your mates with your kangaroos and your didgeridoos. It's been a while, and and Philby and and who else? Who am I missing? There's someone I'm missing.
SPEAKER_00:You're such a knob. Well, we did so yeah, this time last week, yeah, this time last week, I was leading the group on one of the most biblically wet uh sections of run I think we've ever done. So Classic Alpine Range Rally, we met on the Friday morning as we always do. Friday we had sunshine all day, so it was stunning. And look, the good the good thing about the rally now is that the maps are pretty much cut and paste. I've really just kept refining, refining, refining, and I think I've managed now to just squeeze every last bit of juice out of the fruit in terms of putting the twisties in. We did um on day one, we did actually take a detour to a little town called Walhalla, which that road is quite short, but super cool. And it used to, we used to do it in the rally, but I'd always felt it was too much with a with one of the second um detours that we do. But actually, it worked really well. So day one was just intense and it was 24 degrees Celsius. I don't know what that is in Fahrenheit. Um who cares? I'm still a Celsius guy. I don't know, jeans and t-shirt weather. Um and and we just had this incredible, incredible run, perfect weather, and the best thing is we stay in this little coastal town called Lake Sentrance, and the last part of the day, there's a bit of a uh let's call it a transport stage, right? I think it's like an hour to get from the twisties to Lake Sentrance. But just before you get to Lake Sentrance, you turn off, and there is this one little twisty run that happens. It only goes for, I don't know, maybe 10 minutes, but it's just and you pop out of this twisty road and you're in Lake Sentrance, and it is the best way to finish the that first day of rallying, just phenomenal. So yeah, day one, amazing. Day two, we wake up, we roll out of Lake Sentrance at seven o'clock, I'm in front, and it is bucketing, and and by the time we pull out of town, it it's cats and dogs. Cats and dogs. So everyone always, whenever it's raining, everyone always wants me to lead because I'm in a Carrera Fall. Um and actually, I've got to say the the recalcitrance of this group, we had 16 people, the willingness of people to drive at the front, it's very disappointing. I'll use this forum to say it because none of them are in front of me, but but it was like constantly, who wants to go up front? Okay, I guess I'll go. And then and then if it's and then and then there's uh Simon goes up front a lot. He's the only other air-cooled uh oh no, there was Phil being air cooled as well. But Simon goes up the front a lot too, and then Trev goes up the front, and so does Daz. And Trev and Daz. The reason nobody wants to go up the front is because if you're in front of Trev or Daz, it feels like you're just gonna be holding them up. So yeah. So the reason for that is Trev has a he has a 996 GT3 that competed in, I think it got second outright in the Target Tasmania back in the day. It was driven by a very well-known Australian uh racing driver named Tony Quinn, and it used to race in Nations Cup against Ferraris and all sorts of stuff. And Trev is a pretty handy steerer too. So if Trev's behind you, you know all about it. Um, Daz drives a 944, so you'd be like, okay, well, we've got that covered. Uh-uh. Daz could be driving a combi van and he would prefer that everyone. He's just yeah, he's just that guy. Yeah, yeah, just that guy. So anyway, so we we roll out of Lakes Entrance. I've got Trev behind me, and it is bucketing. And the one thing that was in my favour was my car's all-wheel drive, and I'm on PS4S's. I think Trev was on uh some some rather used semi-slick tires, so but somehow he's still he was still uh still right behind me all the way. So that was great. And we get to a little town called Omi, I have breakfast, and then we drive to this town called Midamita, and the road to Midamida is just incredible. At first, it's super tight and technical, really great for the little air-cooled cars, I gotta say, and then it kind of opens up and it undulates and you you climb for a while, and then it's down, and it's it's 60 kilometers of twisties. Oh, nice, and and intense, intense twisties. You get to the end, and this town is this tiny little village with this amazing pub, and so you just have lunch, and then you go and you do it all again, you do it in reverse, and doing it in reverse was one of the absolute highlights. I had I had this group behind me, and it was funny. Simon was behind me, he's got this hot-rotted 911 SC, and that thing's quick, and he's very quick. And then we had Kale behind him uh in his 718 GT4. And I I thought, you know, I was doing a pretty good job with the pace, and and we get to one section and Kale jumps past me. We there was a there was some road work being done, so he had to stop for this metering traffic light. So we stop at this red light, Kale comes in front of me, and I thought, okay, fair enough. I thought I was going pretty quick, but that's okay. Well, he takes off when we get the green light, and and I'm sticking with him, but we're climbing up hills, right? And so I am beating the absolute crap out of Liv Little Green, you know, coming out of tight hairpins in second gear, just red line, red line, red line. And of course, Kale's got this four-litre GT4, so the torque he just pulls away. Yeah, but um anyway, so then I had I did have the opportunity, it was all dry at this point, by the way. And then I had the opportunity to actually swap cars with Kale and drive that uh four-litre GT4, and I was shocked by what a difference there was between that and my 981 GT4. Just oh man, the torque on this thing, just phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal. I I fair to say I was looking at car sales for seven GT4 a week. Um and then yeah, you know what? I think we we rolled into town around 4 30, having done something like 500ks that day, and I mean a straight roads that day would have been uh half an hour of driving. Yeah, yeah, seriously, and and then and then Sunday uh it rained a lot of Sunday, but what was really cool actually was that there's on Sunday, there's really only three key twisties that we hit on the way home, and what would happen was you'd drive those twisties, it would be dry, and then it would bucket rain as you were driving to the next one, and then by the time you got to the next one, and it all dried up again. So we had an incredible run. But I don't know if you saw on my Instagram, my mate Erwin. Erwin has a 991.2 GTS, lovely car. And the day before the rally, he called me, he's like, Hey, I've I've I've ripped my tire. I've I've I need a PS4S, and I said, Listen, give these guys a call, you should be able to get one. So he was able to, amazingly, because they're always pretty difficult to get. So he just was able to get a new tire, so it was all great, and then on the last day, we're on the radio, and or we're sorry, we're driving the last road, and suddenly Irwin comes on the radio. He says, I think I've got a flat. And then your mate Philby. Then your mate Philby comes. Gets on the radio and goes, bloody hell, Irwin's got a bloody stick sticking out of his tire. No way. I don't know why I just made Philby sound like Steve Irwin, because he could not sound less like Steve Irwin if he tried. Sorry, Philby. But uh but anyway, so he had this stick. It literally looked like I don't know, you know, at the start of Raiders of the Lost Ark when he's running and they're all chasing him with the balls and it looks like someone had done that in the side of his in the side of his tyre. How this stick had managed to puncture and be left sticking out of this pilot sport 4S tyre, I I I'll never know. And of course, it's a GTS, so it's on Centerlocks, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So it's like, oh my god, what are we gonna do? So Fraz, our boy Fraz, Rocco, Fraz, Philby.
SPEAKER_02:Um, Fraz rolls up. Fraz Fraz and Daz, please tell me they're brothers.
SPEAKER_00:They're not brothers. Uh they're not, but it's a missed opportunity. Do you know what though? They're both pretty handy. Um, so so Fraz rolls up with this puncture repair kit, and I'm looking at it thinking, hey Fraz, I I I think this might be a little bit beyond said puncture repair kit. And then so he starts he starts pulling the he starts pulling the the stick out of the tire, and Philby says, What are you doing? It's gonna let all the air out, and it's like well, you you can't drive it with the stick in, mate. So Fraz pulls this stick out. The tire does indeed deflate. So then Fraz has got this tire repair kit. I don't know if you've ever seen these things, they're basically like little rubber noodles, and then you have like an old-fashioned corkscrew, and you just jam the noodles into the hole and then use uh and then we had we had an air Irwin had an air compressor, use a razor blade to slice them off and clean them up, fix, sorted. Yeah, Irwin was able to drive home, no problem. I think he stopped a few times to check it was okay, but what an I I just said that is incredible. I'm buying one of those kits this weekend to have in my car for when I do a rally. Unbelievable, lifesaver, lifesaver.
SPEAKER_02:Well, look, you all sound like Steve Irvin to us over here, to be honest with you. Um so you didn't need to you didn't need to apologise for us for Phil.
SPEAKER_00:Well, Phil Philby, Philby lives in a in a in a place called Brighton, which is Brighton, which is sort of known as one of the more he-toity suburbs of Melbourne. So he he probably does not sound he doesn't sound a lot like uh Steve Irwin, I've got to say, but I tell you this, and I'm sure I've said it before, I've had so many conversations this week about doing these trips and how important they are, and that the driving's incredible and experiencing the cars is phenomenal. That's that's brilliant. That kind of goes without saying. It's the it's the conversations, it's I don't want to sound I don't want to wax too lyrical, but the connection, all that stuff. You end up talking about mental health and all work challenges, life challenges, all these other things, right? And and there's so much value in it. It's it's yeah, yeah, it was just awesome, absolutely awesome.
SPEAKER_02:No, I I totally agree, and uh, you know, in in some respects, perfect segue to Tale of the Dragon, because I think this last trip to the tale was was maybe my favorite. I mean, and it and it was I don't really remember too much about the driving, frankly, which is not to say we didn't have a good time because we did, um, but the memories are really around, you know, just like laughing and having like really silly talks and really deep conversations and a few beers and some barbecue. I mean, Michael was there and Jay and Chris, and um there's uh a newcomer to our group who we met um a couple of years ago at Amelia Island, uh Christian, um who's got he's got this modded out uh 991.1 uh sorry, uh 991.2. Um it's black, it's got like you know the full end-to-end soul, it's got the stage two tune, it's got the inner coolers, it's putting out like 700 and something horses, it's insane. And he's also just got himself a uh a green 992, which is put the which is also modded out exactly the way and such a nice guy. And Mark is there, of course, and you know, Richie and so I, you know, obviously gonna be forgetting a few people, but there's so much to be said about the friends you take on those kind of trips and just the Porsche community in general. We've talked about that before. It's it's a really amazing place. Um, but you know, you said there were what about 16 people? Is that a pretty big group for Raoul Pine Range Rally? Because you you try and control that, don't you?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I do. So we got the the the group size is there's there's 20 people that that are invited. Um and and obviously look, people reach out to me all the time and say, hey, can I come? Which is um completely fair. I I certainly understand that people would want to attend. It it's weird though, because it's not a club where you know we're actually we're we're now just a group of mates, and um those 20 who have been coming for a long time, I I just always want to keep it open for them, but that's the most we could do. And so, yeah, the last couple have been a little smaller, people have had life challenges or you know, kids, or all the sorts of stuff that gets in the way. Um, so it's rare that we get everybody along. But yeah, 16 was definitely one of the bigger groups we've had for a minute. My mate Gerard he'd had uh surgery on his foot two weeks earlier, so he couldn't drive, and he's got a uh manual 991 uh two Career T. So we were really worried that he wasn't going to be able to make it, but then he borrowed a friend. This friend of his, what a great friend, just lent him a 997.2 PDK. So he was able to do it in that, although it was hilarious because he he rolled up on day one, stunning white 997, it was gorgeous. But all weekend, everyone was saying that car needs springs and spaces, like it was full full stock ride high. And then Gerard's like, you want to drive it, it needs an exhaust because that's yeah, it didn't even have the sports, uh, the Porsche Sports exhaust. But um, but yeah, that was it was a it was a bigger group, but you know what? Because we've all been driving together so long now, and I don't know if you find this, you kind of know how everybody drives, and you know, based on your own mood, where you want to sit in the group at any given time. You might think, Yeah, I just want to cruise a little bit, I might sit around with this person, or I'm happy to kind of push on a little bit, I might go behind them or in front of them. Do you know what I mean? You sort of get that rhythm.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. It's the same same with us. We know who likes to drive fast, we know who uh is gonna take up a lot of time and needs to sit at the back and everything in between, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think um it's funny that one too, isn't it? Because the people we know like to drive fast, as you say. I've never asked them this, but you know, it's probably almost that thing where they like to drive fast, but it doesn't mean they need to every time. And they're probably also quite happy sitting behind someone else who's maybe going slightly slower than they would typically go, just in order to be able to look at three or four cars in front of them. Because that's one thing I find if I'm leading a little bit, it's like sometimes I miss actually seeing that snake of cars in front of me and chasing someone else.
SPEAKER_02:Definitely, yeah. This time, uh, not in uh Black Hills, but Tale of the Dragon, I did try and hang back at the back this time because often I'm the one that leads a lot of the time, and it's it's partly because um I'm I'm I wouldn't say I'm impatient, but I'm the one that look at you, you're tailgating people.
SPEAKER_00:Unbelievable, you're that guy.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no, the proctology is not that. It's like when we stop and take a break and take a photo, yeah. I'm the guy who's like, okay, everybody's taking a photo, let's let's go get in the car, I'll turn the engine on, as opposed to the guys that will just happily sit there and chat, and all of a sudden you've lost an hour. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've been we've been here 10 minutes. I'm gonna get in, I'm gonna start revving, and I'm just gonna pull off. And if people want to follow me, they can.
SPEAKER_00:See, see, PJ who organizes our uh our Tasmania rallies, he's a little bit like that. Suddenly you'll turn around and he's just driving off. Like, all right, I guess we're going. But but do you know what though? I think there is that thing of I don't know, tell me if this is your feeling. You kind of manage the itinerary and the routes, right? So it's like yeah, you're keeping an eye on, hey, we've got to get to here by this time, so we do actually need to keep moving.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, we've got to make it to lunch, we've got to get back again, we're gonna, you know, do something this evening. Yeah, I'm I'm off on on the itinerary.
SPEAKER_00:Do you know? I always take a good deal of pride in the fact that I I I break the itinerary down effectively enough so that I can book I can book lunch at this pub at 12.30, knowing we'll roll into town pretty much bang on or thereabouts that time. And you know, once once or twice we've had problems where someone's had a car issue or something and we're late, but we're we're pretty consistently good. But on the Saturday on this trip, because it was raining, the places we would usually stop, there are there are two stops that we would typically make in the morning, and you think, oh yeah, they're just it's just a five-minute stop, right? But it's not, it's actually half an hour by the time everyone walks around, has a chat, goes and waters some plants, and then comes back and jumps in their cars. And so we rolled into this town Midamidda, where I had a 12:30 booking for lunch. We rolled in at 11 o'clock, and everyone and everyone's like, What are we gonna do? And it's like, I don't know, it's well, we didn't talk on the side of the road because it was pissing rain. Let's just talk here. And actually, thankfully, the um uh the publican came out and he said, Well, we opened at 11:30, so we had a nice early lunch.
SPEAKER_02:That's nice. Hey, look, so this might be a silly question, but given that it rains a lot when you guys do these trips, have you not thought about doing it in a different season? And like, we're gonna do this trip, we're gonna book it in in monsoon season. You know what? It rained. Shit, yeah, I didn't think about that. I mean, you guys have got the summers that are like, you know, 40 degrees, ball sweatingly hot. Come on, Andy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so Rocco and I have had this conversation so many times, man. And so the the problem is, if you do it at towards the back end of the year, once you're out of November, so so December is the big the first week of summer, right? But if you if you wait into December, people have got Christmas things happening, it just becomes harder and harder to to manage. So you go as late as you can. And to be honest, when we did this rally this time last year, number 10, it was like 35 degrees every day. It was it was hot as balls for the whole rally, and then you know, the other one is we we do one in March or April, and when we did it at the start of this year, it was great. We had incredible weather. Next year we're doing um we'll probably alternate and go back to Tasmania. So yeah, you're right. It's Melbourne in late spring can just be dire, but December's too late, and early spring's not possible, and then winter's definitely not possible. So you take a punt, and yeah, I I agree.
SPEAKER_02:I told you it was gonna be a silly question. I mean, you've done it 12 times, so you've obviously thought about that before.
SPEAKER_00:And we've had we have had good weather, I think we've but not much, like it has been mostly, mostly pretty wet. I would say for nine out of the twelve, it's we've had and not just wet, like wet, like just yeah dude. We're driving this road on the Saturday morning, and and I was at the front, and there are a few there were a few times I had to get on the radio and say the this left hand is like super slippery. So I suppose the thing about uh doing that is you you have to have the right wheels and specifically the right tyres, and you've just changed the wheels over on your 991.
SPEAKER_02:I have. I've gone back to my uh my winter setup, which is the uh the Carrera S rims that that came with the car. And so I've I've got three sets of of rims.
SPEAKER_00:Three sets?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so the Carrera S rims came with it. I wanted to get a second set because uh of the winter summer changeover. Just to make it just to make it easier. So I got the RS spider rims, uh, which I do really like. I do really like. Uh, and then of course I got some sole performance rims last year, um, which I also used for for winter rims. Um, but as much as I love the sole rims and I really love the the spider rims, every time I go back to what I consider in my mind just the boring basic Carrera rims, I put them on the car and I I stand back and I think, shit, they look so good.
SPEAKER_00:I like how they look, they really look good. I I'm I mean I messaged you, was it yesterday? Because I'd seen your Facebook post, and I just thought, it looks so good. Silver wheels, just and yeah, Carrera S wheels, just a really, really good look. Really good look.
SPEAKER_02:You know, I've got to give you credit because I thought the first thing you were gonna comment on was my factory ride heights, which I still haven't addressed. I've done all these mods to this car, and I bought those lowering springs what two years ago, and they're still sitting in a box in my garage. And every time I walk into my garage, I think of you because I see that gap, and I'm like, yeah, Andy wouldn't like that. Andy'll comment on that.
SPEAKER_00:What what what's the blockage? How do we what what's going on here psychologically? How do we address this?
SPEAKER_02:It's it's it's a job I've just never attempted before, you know, and it's and because it's so core to the functioning of the car, I'm really worried about just screwing it up. Like if you screw up an oil change, like what's the worst that can happen? You have to pour more oil in, you have to get yourself a new um you know, new filter if you don't put it in properly, or if you torque the drain plug, um, or changing an air filter. Um even taking off the rear bumper, if I was to screw up the rear bumper, I could still drive it to the garage and get it fixed. But if I was to screw up any one of those um suspension struts, it's just that, you know, that's a tow truck that's got to be involved, or that's a that's a thousand dollar mistake, it's not a hundred dollar mistake.
SPEAKER_00:So that is it a thousand dollar mistake though.
SPEAKER_02:I don't I don't know. I'm just like it's it's I'm forever procrastinating. But but you know, it's like um it's like doing the intercoolers. I wanted to do the intercoolers on my car, um, and it wasn't until I just recently did them on a 991.2 GTS in lava orange, and my friend Derek, oh my god, that car is dreaming so so dreamy. Um, really well-optioned car. But now I've done it on his car and I've done it on another car. Like, that doesn't bother me. I could just rock up, you know, in my pajamas and yeah, I'll do your intercoolers, no worries. But the struts. Did I say pajamas? I meant a barat manchini. That's that's what I sleep in. Um but like yeah, I think I just I'm just procrastinating. And I've watched that Tommy L. Garage video.
SPEAKER_00:Tommy's video shows it really well.
SPEAKER_02:Look, Tom yeah, I know, but yeah, I know. I know.
SPEAKER_00:Just take it to a garage, just have them do it.
SPEAKER_02:No, I'm not letting someone do the I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.
SPEAKER_00:Are you though? Uh come on. I will I know it's off-brand for you, but why don't you just do it? It'll cost you like 400 bucks.
SPEAKER_02:But you know, it's maybe it's maybe it's a winter project. It was gonna be the winter project. In fact, I know I'm gonna blame John Gados at soul performance because that was gonna be a winter project last year. And at the beginning of winter, that's when John called me up and was like, Hey, do you fancy doing some installs on soul parts and I'll send you a bunch of things?
SPEAKER_00:I I feel like you've been doing I feel like you've been doing exhaust installs for two years, dude. That wasn't just a big time.
SPEAKER_02:I suppose, I suppose. But like just looking back over the year, and I want to hear about your 964 as well and what's going wrong with it, but like this year has been epic in terms of wrenching on cars. Um my god. I've uh I've worked on my own car, so I've now got full end-to-end sole performance exhaust. Um, I've got a stage one tune, I've got um what else have I done to it? I can't remember, but it's now putting out like 500 and something horses, and it just it absolutely tears the street up. It is so powerful. I love it, absolutely love it. Um, so I've been working on that. Um, I've worked on my friend Chris's GT3 Touring, I've worked on a 991.2 GTS, I've worked on uh uh another GT3, uh 991.2 GT3, um, all like pretty enjoyable jobs, like spark plugs, um, exhausts, uh, spoilers, um, brake jobs, the inner cooler job just recently. So I I'm like, I've really I've really enjoyed myself in the garage. And and actually, I've been enjoying it so much that I've got all of this video footage for future videos waiting to be edited. And I just I just can't get around to it.
SPEAKER_00:So, what's been going on with little green? Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. So, uh can we just talk about uh where you're at? What what have you chosen now as the exhaust setup? And are you happy? I want to hear about it because I drove so I'm gonna tell you my my buddy Gerard has the Carrera T, as I said, and he bought uh he bought a Sharkworks um valved sports exhaust, so just to replace the factory sports exhaust. And I drove that and he said to me, all the conversations we've had have been that that there is a difference, but it's it let's say it's subtle, it's certainly not a big change. I I've driven the car since it sounds great, but it's there's there's not a lot of volume in it. Yeah, yeah. Um what setup have you landed on and and what's it like?
SPEAKER_02:So I've got um the sole performance valved X-Pipe, which is the equivalent of the valve, you know, Porsche Borter Exhaust muffler. Yeah. Um and that gives you um that really transforms the sound and you lose a bit of weight, but it does really nothing to the power. So you you can sell it just just by doing the the valved um X-pipe, you can really get a difference in the pops and the crackles, and just the you know, it's like a throatier kind of growl when you start it up and you accelerate and so on. So I've got that. Um I tested both the cat bypass pipes as well as the cat sport uh the sport cats, and I landed on the Spore Cats. Just something about just something about the pitch and the the cracks and pops that you get with it. Um it's similar with the bypass pipes, but with the bypass pipes, the um the sound of the turbo spooling almost overpowers the sound of the pops and the crackles. Like it's just it's just for me, it was a bit too much. Um I do like the louder turbo spools with with the rest of the setup I've got, but man, it was a huge difference um with those bypass pipes. Yeah, yeah, really big difference with the with the spooling um or the sound of the spooling. And then I've got the spore cats. So spore cats, uh sorry, the headers, the sport headers, the spore cats, and the valved X pipe. So that's it, end to end. I think if the the one thing I've been toying with is actually going back to the factory center muffler. Um because it sounds really good. It does sound good. It doesn't it's not as growling and throaty as the X pipe, but and maybe Maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but I think I was getting a little more pops and crackles in the downshifting with the factory centre muffler than I was with the the soul muffler. But I could be I could be wrong there. Um but the the performance difference with the cats and especially the headers is quite a lot. Yeah. You can tell it. Yeah, you can tell it in the throttle response. Um I think you know on paper it says between the two of them you can get like an extra 20 to 30 horses altogether. Um and I I wouldn't honestly, I'm not that kind of a I'm not good enough. Like I'm not good enough to know the difference between you know a 400 or a 425 horsepower car. It's just a powerful car to me. But the throttle response is definitely definitely um better. And then add on top of that the soft tronic tune. Um the car the car drives now like I mean, I wouldn't say like a a GT3 or I wouldn't say like a turbo because obviously they're very different cars, but in terms of that um butt dyno kind of feeling, the thrust, yeah, the thrust, um, it's just incredible. It's a completely different car in that respect.
SPEAKER_00:Wow. See, so just to go back to it, this idea of of the ride height being a winter project, I think you're thinking about it wrong. Because some of you're gonna be driving around, you're probably gonna go to your Porsche Pancakes thing, maybe there's some cars and coffee. That is the time where the stance is crucial. Crucial. And it's not even a project for someone of your immense skill, your talent, your experience. This is uh this is a Saturday afternoon with a few beers, kind of a kind of an exercise. You could you could be done today. You could do it today.
SPEAKER_02:You think so?
SPEAKER_00:Or probably tomorrow, because I know it's Friday night where you are, but still, you could set up tonight, whip the wheels off tomorrow morning and be done. Maybe be cruising around with people's heads turning, going, look at that guy.
SPEAKER_01:He's cool.
SPEAKER_02:You know, well, when you put it like that, no, I don't I don't think so. But maybe, maybe, maybe you know, the the other part of it is I think I'm not I'm not sure I've bought the right product. Like I bought these um HR lowering springs on a whim, and I'm wondering actually if I should have maybe thought about it and put some more into like a proper you know set of Olens or or Bill Steens or something which isn't just$400 and you just slap it on.
SPEAKER_00:Do you know everyone I know who's done uh lowering springs uh on the factory shocks has been has had no problem because because to go to Olens or KW or something like that is um that's a that's a really expensive upgrade. Yeah and and and I think I think Porsche's suspension is actually incredibly well dialed as it is. So I yeah, I don't I don't think you need to do that. The only thing I would say, and and I don't know if this is the case for 991s or not, my understanding is that the HR lowering, yeah, you kind of got you've got HR or you've got IBARK lowering springs.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And everything I've ever read is that uh people have found with the IBARC lowering springs, they tend to just be a little more compliant, whereas doing the HR springs, uh they tend to just be a little harsher in the ride quality. So I've heard. I I can't I can't speak to that with any with any um real authority, but I'm pretty sure they tend to have a slightly a slightly softer spring rate with the with the eye bark. So if you're putting them on a on a stock setup, they probably retain the stock feel while having the lower the lower ride height. So gotcha, gotcha.
SPEAKER_02:Which means I've just probably given you an out, but well, so so my my winter plans were um lowering springs. Yeah, I want to get my steering wheel uh refurbished. I'm gonna send it down to Carter Customs in Texas, and I want to have yellow deviated stitching on because you know what I'm like with deviated stitching with with you know refresh leather. Um I want to swap out the well, I'm not I'm on the fence. I like I've thought about doing yellow seat belts instead of my black seat belts to tie them with the other yellow accents. Yeah, yeah. Um so you know that's that's kind of on on the list of things. Um I don't know what else. Maybe that's enough. I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_00:It's looking it's looking pretty good. It's it's got a you can tell it's an enthusiast's car now. It's not you know, it's not dentist spec, it's not your daily driver. You've done a good job of making it look like it's the weekend fun car. I appreciate it, thanks man.
SPEAKER_02:And I've resisted putting um a wing on it. Because I I'm always tempted with wings, always.
SPEAKER_00:No, no, no, just say no to wings. Yeah, just say no, absolutely not. I mean, I think don't get me wrong, a GT3 with a wing, no problem, no problem.
SPEAKER_02:But don't yeah, no wing on a Carrera, just little I you know that I that was the one thing I said to myself when I got this car was I'm gonna stick with the silhouette, I'm not gonna put a wing on it, and I haven't. No, um and I haven't been tempted either. But every time I see Chris's GT3 touring, I see that little sexy lip on the back, and I think I could have that. You could have that, you could have that. Um and and then my friend Christian uh with the the green 992, he's just put the factory arrow kit on his 992 GTS. Right. I like it, I like it. But no, I I'm not gonna go there. I'm not gonna go there. Yeah, but I am tempted with that little touring lip every now and again.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean this is a little gurney, that's alright. That's okay. It if it if they can work it on a touring, that's cool. But yeah, I I think I I don't know. I I don't like wings on anything other than a GT3.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and even even having said that, I've got to the point now where you know the the the auto amateur James from five years ago would have already slapped that GT3 touring lip on the back. Today's auto amateur James says it's not a GT3, don't put that lip on the back. It's just a Carrera. Love it for being a Carrera.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, a hundred percent. And and you know, a highly, highly capable car that you've made even quicker, you've made even better. That's you know, there's nothing that car can't do. Love it, love it as is.
SPEAKER_02:No, carbon fiber, that's the day for it, you know, it's a conversation. Carbon fiber and deviated stitching. Yeah, baby. So, what about little green? Tell me about little green.
SPEAKER_00:Uh, little green's good. I mean, I had um I had a service right before the rally. I thought this is great. I'm not trying. Because what always happens or inevitably happens for me is that a week out from the rally, there's something catastrophic on Little Green that I'm trying to solve. It'll have given me trouble-free motoring all year, and then the week before the rally, something comes up. Right just just just absolute clockwork. And yeah, this this rally was no different. I took it into Stuart 9 Auto for it's for just a service. Um, there's nothing untoward in that service, but the one thing I did ask him to look at was that the lower sill cover on the driver's side had just come away. Now, this is really common on a 964, right? There's just these little tabs, these little plastic tabs, and they break off, so you have to replace them and then you just push it back in. It's not really a particularly difficult job. But when I got it back, he said, Hey, the this the rear seal cover, which is the sort of shark fin-shaped one, was lifting off. And he said, I think this one's actually broken. And by the time I got it home, it was like hanging off, basically. And I'll share, I'll share a photo with you uh later on. But um, yeah, it was just flapping about, and I thought, well, I can't have it like that on the rally, so what do I need to do? Apparently it's very common. So that I said, what do I do? Do I do I just replace the the little plastic tabs? And he said, No, no, it's actually the sill cover itself is broken, so you need to replace that, paint it, reinstall. And I'm like, well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do that before the rally. So what what what uh compromise solution can I find? So I've got some JD Weld uh plastic glue and uh glued the two tabs and then just used a clamp to clamp it on, right? I'm thinking this is great, I've got it sorted. I don't have a really good track record when it comes to gluing plastic. Like me too, dude. It just I don't I've done interior trim bits where I keep adding the the JD weld and then it just goes gooey and it never sets and it never actually works, right? So and the other thing that was working against me was that this it's a it's a curved piece of plastic that when when it is attached at the base and at the top, it's actually bending it. So as you're gluing it, it it wants to pull away. So of course eventually it pulled away. So uh I'm messaging Gerard, my 964 buddy, and he's like, Why did you do it like that? You need to take it off. And I'm like, Yeah, yeah, okay, good call. So I took it off. Uh, and then you could just see what was hilarious was the two tabs where the glue goes, you could see clearly it has been glued 20 times previously. You know, previous owners have just glued this, it's lasted three years and they've they've gotten on with their lives. And I thought, well, you know what? I've had it a long time. It's clearly lasted with glue. I think I can make it last again with glue. I don't think I need to replace it. So I did. I was just meticulous. I took it off, I glued it, I sat it in the sun to let that glue really set. I had it clamped while it was setting. I put it back on the car, and sure enough, it uh it has stuck. It's lasted, so we're we're okay. So I mean, look, worst case on the rally, I was I was thinking if it comes off on the rally, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna undo the rear tab, which creates a hole in the main bodywork, and I was gonna drill a hole in the actual sill cover, figuring that fuck it, it's dead anyway, and then just cable tie that thing. So I would have had a visible cable tie holding it on in my car, and I'm like, at that point, I don't care.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I'm the guy that was driving through um these incredible uh roads across the prairies um two years ago, I think, or three years ago in Bluey, um, when we were coming back from a the first Black Hills trip, and somebody told me that one of my underpanels was flapping on the bottom of the car. You're gonna say one of your underpants was flapping. Well, that that always happens. Uh I I was the guy that pulled over to the side of the car, everybody was getting out thinking about how we could fix it. And without even having any discussion, I just reached under the car, yanked the entire underbottle panny off. Uh the sorry, the yanked underbottle penny. I know.
SPEAKER_00:I yanked that would they be on the audio amateur store, under bottle pennies?
SPEAKER_02:That's exactly right. I yanked that thing off and just put it on the side of the road. And so somewhere in the middle of Nebraska, there is this, you know, I don't know, four by four kind of size piece of plastic that I just pulled off the car. I was like, fuck it, lads, we're done. Get in, let's go, let's keep driving. It was awesome. But you know, I see those um, I see those, you know, social media, you know, kind of reels of people using um using glue and braces or clamps or or those um plastic welding kind of kits. And I'm like, wow, staple kit. Yeah, it's like you can fix all of these amazing things. Whenever I try it, it's like you know, pintrest fail. It's too much glue, it's not quite in the right place, it's not hanging on properly, and I end up just throwing it away. I'm like, fuck it, I don't need it.
SPEAKER_00:That's me with the center console in my car. It has this one bracket that is, I mean, it's decidedly fragile, and you see them everywhere for sale, and the bracket's broken. But I've tried to fix it five times, and every time I do, I just end up with half set, you know, the glue that's kind of soft but sticky.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I'm just overdoing it clearly, but yeah, I've no idea what I'm doing. So I did I did wonder, I think we spoke about it uh in our very detailed show notes yesterday about about um you know discussing in detail an in-depth analysis of Porsche's current profit situation. So um I understand you've uh pulled together a PowerPoint presentation that you're gonna take me through.
SPEAKER_02:No, you know what I did? I didn't use Chat GBT, I didn't do my own research, I watched Jay Reed's recent video, and he does a fantastic job. He does a fantastic job of parroting back whatever he has Googled and put into a video.
SPEAKER_00:So, yes, tell me tell me what did Jay say? Let's Jay can be our Oracle.
SPEAKER_02:All right, Jay can be our Oracle, and I'm gonna do a horrible job of paraphrasing and probably get it wrong. But uh you know, from from my understanding, a big part of it is that they're shifting strategy because um the the EV market is cool. Yeah, I mean I don't know what it's like down under, but over here in um the states, people are driving them, but you know, if you believe the stats that the Jay's talking about, at least um the market here is cooled. Porsche has put a bunch of investment in that, which they're now sort of pulling back from, um, as well as trying to keep all of their combustion engine kind of lines going. Um so I I think I think to sum it up, it's probably that is one huge contributing factor, the the shift in EV strategy and the market cooling. And from what I understand as well from Mr. Reed, the Chinese market, which has kept them going massively over the last so however many years, that's also come to a bit of a halt, especially so in this last and then maybe one other, which is you know, I I don't know about Trump and his tariffs, but that can't have helped. I don't really, you know, know too much about that, but that also can't have helped. So Porsche found themselves in this in this little sort of sticky situation. But from what I understand, if if they've lost a bunch of operating profit, um, you know, what does that mean for their I don't know, what does that mean for their reserves? What does that mean for the the revenue they're gonna pull down over the next few years? Presumably they're gonna be doing a bunch of restructuring, they're probably gonna be laying people off to a degree, but like, is it is it just a shock value headline or does it really matter to the company? I don't know enough about economics really to have an opinion on it.
SPEAKER_00:Uh you've got to think that if your profits have gone down by 90%, that there are negative outcomes uh that will associated negative outcomes such as layoffs and that type of stuff. I know they're gonna they are gonna roll back some of these um some of the investments they've made and the and the directions they've set, they will roll those back. Um but there's still a there's still a massive cost associated with it because yeah, I do know that in the Chinese market the what has happened is the the bottom has fallen out of the luxury EV side of things, right? And so if you've bet really heavily on that, that becomes a real problem. And in fact, I th that's a problem globally, because at the end of the day, why would I spend 300 grand on a tacan when I can get a a BYD for 60 grand? Now I know they're very different markets, I understand the buyer for those two cars is different, but but nothing is gonna depreciate as fast as an EV. So, you know, it's a massive, massive problem.
SPEAKER_02:Have you looked at the the Tycan used market prices? I was amazed. Like you can pick up uh not I mean not the not the turbo versions, but you can pick up the TyCAN 4 or whatever the entry model is now. It's like 20 grand US, 25 grand US.
SPEAKER_00:20 grand US.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, that that I mean that isn't that incredible. I I actually thought at one point maybe I'll just trade in the Cayenne and just you know check this out for a while because it's so cheap. I mean they're not they're not all that low, but you know, we're talking like probably 20 grand US on the very lowest end to a mid-range model with a couple of years on it and a couple of you know 20, 50, 30,000 or whatever. We're talking about maybe 50 grand US. But considering a few years back they were going for 120, 130, 140 US, that's yeah, that's insane. That's a huge density.
SPEAKER_00:And and look, this is this is the problem with EVs and particularly luxury EVs. It's like, you know, you don't I mean some people do, I suppose, but EVs are an appliance, and by that I mean that because they are largely um they're still in their growth phase with respect to the technology and the range and all of these things, right? So buying a second hand one is a bit like buying a used iPhone, right? Like an iPhone 10, you're not gonna just not gonna do that. Yeah, and whereas I know I can buy a 30-year-old Porsche or any brand for that matter, and that car's gonna keep going. Yeah, whereas there's a I think the the psychology of it is that there's a little bit of a sense of there's a disposability around these products until they've reached this kind of development plateau that internal combustion engine cars have reached. So, yeah, I I think there's still plenty to play out. The thing that I'm excited about and optimistic about is that I'm reading a lot, and I don't know if this is confirmed yet, but that Porsche have shelved the idea that the Kamen and Boxster platforms will be EV only and that there will be an internal combustion engine version. I think there is there's still going to be an EV version, yeah. But oh man, I mean, I that one was always one I struggled with because I figure, first up, use hybrid technology, they're using that in the in the turbo, they're using using that in the GTS, it's brilliant. Yeah, I've got no problem with that. Yeah, but I always figured if you look at the world's response to the four-cylinder 718 Kamen and Boxster and the outcry over the sound of those cars compared with the outgoing six-cylinder versions, it was like this car's great, it does everything right, but the sound is terrible, it's destroyed it. You know, those cars you can pick up so cheap because, in spite of how good they are, people just don't rate the sound. So then imagine taking that and doing an EV version of it, unless you build in, you know, kind of goofy tricks like hey, you've got you've got a set of factory sounds like you know, you can have a uh a 917K or you can have a 962 or you can have a 993 GT2. Yeah, that's right. Unless you do goofy stuff like that. Who what who is the enthusiast that's gonna buy the EV Cayman or Boxster?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I don't know. Don't know.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful there's an engine coming.
SPEAKER_02:I I think it's teenage YouTube millionaires. There's there's actually a kid that um at my son Adam watches on YouTube who's he honestly looks about twelve years old, but he's driving a Takan turbo um in his in his latest video, so he must be old enough to drive. But I think there's the demographic for you right there. YouTube millionaire nerd kids.
SPEAKER_00:And there's so many of them.
SPEAKER_02:So we're going to be wrapping up soon. I I want to hear about the topic we said we'd leave to the last because I don't know how controversial this is going to be, but you let the kid who's riding your daughter ride your car.
SPEAKER_00:That is that's not cool. That's not cool at all. That that hurts more than when I let him drive a car.
SPEAKER_02:I've been waiting 24 hours to say that. Hey, you fuck. I'll edit that out if you want me to. But yeah, tell me about your uh your daughter's boyfriend who's been driving. Like, what on earth possessed you to give anyone under the age of 20 odd the keys to your car? No less some dude who's going out with your daughter. Like, are you feeling okay? Have you had a stroke?
SPEAKER_00:Okay, well, first of all, he's he's he's older than 20. Uh he's a he's a car guy, so definitely got that going for him. Nice kid. And uh is he driving a Honda Civic? Do you know what? He did roll up in a Honda Civic a few days ago. But he's had he's look, he's he's one, he's actually um I feel like Chris Cluel would love him because he's he seems to have a different car every two weeks. Uh he's had a he's had an older BMW, he's had yeah, he had this Civic type R, which I think he's actually getting. Did he swap it? Eventually, I think he's swapping that for his car. No, no. And he's he's got a golf GTI. So he's he's a car, he's a car guy, which is great. And anyway, so he was around at our house. I said, let's let's go for a drive uh on Sunday morning. So he jumps in the car, we go for a drive. That was great. He was he was enjoying it. He was probably he didn't say so, but I'm sure he was probably underwhelmed by the you know 260 horsepower of my 35-year-old 964. Uh, but anyway, I you know I got on it here and there, drove some twisties, and showed him a little bit of what the car can do, and that was great. And then we just pulled into this town and I thought, ah, let's let him have a drive. What why not? Like the car's insured, it doesn't matter. Uh, he's he's not on his pea plates, which is you know where you have some restrictions. So yeah, why not let him have a drive? I know he can drive a manual, so he got in and had a drive. The I was fine, I was not nervous. He probably drove a little closer to some cars than I would have. I I I like to leave more of a let's say space cushion. Um and uh but no, it was uh it was great. I I think I think he enjoyed it. We got to a faster road, and I'm like, all right, I'll take it from here. But uh you're a good man.
SPEAKER_02:You're a good man, Charlie Brown. I I'm not so sure I would have done that. Um having said that, when my um when my godson came over from Germany last summer, um, I gave him the keys to the 9-11, just like wholeheartedly, and the cayenne. Uh he's um he's like 25 years old. Um, and my my other godson, uh Jamie from the UK, I also gave him the keys to the car. So yeah, maybe I was a little harsh there, Andy. Maybe maybe you can get the car.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and do you know the other thing? Yeah, well, here's the other thing, right? It's it's an underpowered all-wheel drive 9-11. So it's hard for him to get in too much trouble with it. Unless he just doesn't know how to drive. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's like if you can drive a manual, you can drive that car, and you can feel some of its driving dynamics, and that's that's what he got. Like I say, he didn't say so, but he was probably I'm sure he was probably a little underwhelmed by the by the power. Um, but uh no, it was great, it was good fun, it was really good fun.
SPEAKER_02:I I think this is a topic that's pretty sensitive for me, me close to my heart in many ways, because you know, I have a daughter, she's only four, and um, I'm dreading, dreading her growing up to the age where she has boyfriends. My friend Chris, we mentioned before, Catman Chris, uh, his daughter Madeline, uh, the last year of high school, and she's got a boyfriend. And uh, you know, I like to joke him a little bit about what's that like, but I've been seeing these uh these videos on TikTok recently, and it's all the same guy doing it. And um, the caption is Um, I've told my girlfriend's son I'll do to him whatever he does to her. And it's like it's like they're sitting around watching TV together and he's holding his hand, and he just looks really, really uncomfortable, and the dad's there holding his hand, or they're at a Christmas party, and he's got the boyfriend sat on his knee, and he's like putting his arms around. I don't know, it's weird times, dude. Weird times, mate.
SPEAKER_00:No, no one will ever be good enough for your daughter. That's the that's the truth of being a dad with a daughter, but um good enough to drive you 964. Yeah, yeah, 100%. And I I I I I hope I hope you enjoyed it.
SPEAKER_02:So we're gonna wrap this little number up by uh talking about a video of the week that I have not seen. So, Andy, tell me about this video.
SPEAKER_00:Have you not seen it? Okay, so uh Haggerty just did uh a new video celebrating 50 years of the 9-11 turbo. Oh and nice you know, I mean when I love Haggerty's stuff anyway, right? You got Jason Kamise, he's he's the main host of this video. Kamise's awesome. Um, our boy Henry Catchpole shows up towards the end. Uh uh Jeff Zwart, Patrick Long, like just all of the Porsche people that you just love are in this video. Um and it's just great. Like, you know, they they kind of talk through the whole lineage, they're driving everything from uh the you know the original 930, which you know, 19 mid-70s, what is it, 75? And and you know, he talks about that car was just must have seemed like a rocket ship in the time. At the time, yeah, just an absolute rocket ship. And then even talking about um the turbo lag and and actually demonstrating what that looks like. Oh, really? You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's it's incredible. He's he's talking, and this is it, it's a little bit um, there's maybe some creative license in it, but he's got his foot to the floor talking, saying, Yeah, still nothing, still nothing, and then there's this sudden, you know, absolute uh burst of of acceleration. Yeah, but then it goes all the way through to you see um uh you see Patrick Long driving a 964 Turbo S crazy. They drive um what does Zwart drive? A 997 GT2, just you know, absolute widow maker, yeah. Um, you know, really, really, really cool. And just yeah, just all these ace cars, and then it finishes with uh catchpole uh driving the new Turbo S clearly in Germany, and gorgeous production. I mean, you watch the credits at the end, and you know, they had something like you know, 30 people work on this thing. Oh wow. So it's not like a couple of not like a couple of YouTubers just going out and shooting on their own, yeah. But you know, done they did they did one a little while ago, I think, called Giants or Racing Giants, or they might be giants or something, which was all about Porsche and uh endurance racing. So this was this was the same kind of film, but all about the 9-11 turbo. And it's if you want half an hour of really high quality, great Porsche viewing on YouTube on your 4K TV that feels not like a YouTube show, but it's like some kind of documentary. Yeah, it's I highly, highly uh encourage you to check it out.
SPEAKER_02:I'll give it a go. I'll give it a go. Yeah, well, buddy, marry foremost Christmas if you sell.
SPEAKER_00:And to you, yeah, and to and to everybody listening. I thanks for uh thanks for tuning in. It's do you know what? It's funny because I think but I I messaged James the other day and said, I miss you, bro, and I'm not even kidding. And uh, because this is sort of the only time we talk, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we like we catch up on life and talk Porsche at the same time. Yeah, yeah. Everybody everybody's witnessing our friendship in real time, uh including me tagging you and you tagging me on on Instagram. Um, but yeah, this is a great way to take out the the year and uh I hope you have a great time over the holidays. Watch that boyfriend in law. Um I he he feels suspicious to me. Anyone driving a Honda Court, I'm immediately suspicious of. Um but yeah. Love to the family, man. And thanks for listening, everybody. We'll catch you in the next one. Thanks, gang.
